Posted by admin on 6 October 2023 04:24:54 PM (Edited by admin 7 months ago)
Hey everyone,

As you may have heard, Art Fight is currently undergoing a change in leadership. Takaia, who has been the owner of Art Fight for the last nine years, has made the decision to step down from this role and take on a support role behind the scenes. In her place, former admins Axel and classicturtle, will be stepping up as co-owners, alongside a third co-owner who will be introduced later on in the newspost.

Due to the ownership shift, Art Fight will be undergoing a series of changes in the upcoming months. Art Fight will be filed as an LLC, and will no longer be operating as a sole proprietorship. We have always been an entity that requires money to operate, but we will expand into focusing on things such as merch, sponsorships, and more site perks, to relieve the pressure for individual users to contribute financially.

Additionally, any monetary support provided to the site has been labeled as a donation up to now, and we apologize for the confusion this previous wording has caused. Art Fight is neither a charity nor is it legally classified as a non-profit entity. From this point onwards, what we previously called “donations” will instead be referred to as “contributions” to clear up and avoid any further confusion. The current donation page will be updated to reflect this in the coming weeks. 

We understand this change is a considerable one, and we’d like to address a few different aspects of the changes being made below.

Why did the administrators resign from staff during the fight?

On July 22nd, former admins Turtle and Axel resigned from the Art Fight team. Their reasons for doing so are as follows:

The site remained stagnant for years, and we were frustrated with the lack of paid, forward development. Although some smaller changes were made, we did not feel these changes were enough.

Financial transparency had broken down over the years.  The lack of communication to the staff team regarding financials attributed to this - even if it wasn’t done intentionally or maliciously.

As a result of this, we wanted to help the owner make the finances more transparent, oversee further expenses, and make sure that more of the money went into developing the site, rather than allowing the site to continue to stagnate. We weren’t given this opportunity, and this combined with the previous issues in communication led to feelings of frustration. Because of this, we no longer felt that we could continue working as volunteers with Art Fight unless there were considerable changes made, and we made the difficult decision to leave the team.

As admins, we did NOT have an issue with Takaia paying themself as the owner of Art Fight, and we sincerely believe people should be fairly compensated for the work that they do. While we understand there wasn’t ill intent behind anyone’s actions, the lack of transparency regarding financial issues and a lack of site development made us feel disjointed as a team and made it hard to perform our admin duties.

After multiple conversations about Art Fight and the future of the site, we have rejoined Art Fight staff upon reaching an agreement with Takaia to become two of the three new co-owners. We are excited for this opportunity to move forwards together and help Art Fight thrive!
As stated at the start, Takaia will be stepping back from her role as owner and will take on a support role for the site behind the scenes.  We will all continue to work together to support Art Fight and let it grow to its fullest potential.

We would also like to thank and apologize to the staff, especially those who continued to work during the end of the fight after the admins resigned, as we recognize the difficult position they were put into. Additionally, we would like to reiterate that harassment towards any involved individual is unwarranted and will not be tolerated. This includes the previous admins who stepped up to their positions after the current co-owners resigned as admins. They did so with the intent to help keep the site running, and they just did their best in a complicated situation. Please be understanding and respectful to all involved parties.

Any further harassment towards any involved individual for any reason will result in a ban.


Third Co-Owner✨

Our first big step in ensuring Art Fight’s stability is re-introducing Rainy back onto the team as the third Co-Owner. She has been an invaluable member of the Art Fight staff since 2015 and previously held the role of head admin, so we hope the community is as excited as we are to bring her back! Together we will be overseeing the site, its finances, and ensuring Art Fight’s growth safely as an equal entity.

Financials

Going forwards, we want to make an active effort to ensure there is transparency regarding Art Fight’s finances. With this in mind, we want to address some concerns regarding the past and present financial states of Art Fight as a whole. First and foremost, we do want to reiterate that Art Fight was a sole proprietorship. Takaia, as the owner, worked under this sole proprietorship for approximately $12/hr, which is far below living wage. As confirmed after review by the current co-owners, taxes (which we are unable to share publicly due to security and privacy concerns) were paid and accounted for on all of Art Fight’s income. While Art Fight will no longer be a sole proprietorship, we will still operate as an official business under an LLC.

All staff, at the time of applying and at the time of hiring, were aware of and agreed to the fact that their position was as a volunteer, and that they were not going to be receiving monetary compensation for their work. As of now, this will still be the case for all site and chat moderators, though we are open to exploring paid positions (both for moderators and for site developers, such as coders) sometime in the future.

Budget 2023 - 2024

While we begin planning for the site’s future years, we are taking into account the expected budget for 2023 and 2024.

We hope to release a news post specifically about this sometime in the coming months. This news post will include more information about Art Fight’s past and future financials, and details on our goals for the rest of 2023 and 2024. In addition to this, the financial goal bar will also return!

In the past, Art Fight has functioned entirely off of the generosity of volunteer site developers. But volunteer developers obviously cannot devote all their energy to fixing and updating the site for us. We plan to rely less on volunteer developers in the future, and allocate as much of our budget as we can to lowering server-side costs, which we can use to re-invest into additional, paid developer contracts. On that note, please give a warm welcome to stokori! Originally a volunteer developer, Stokori has rejoined the team, and will be transitioning into a paid developer role. 

Here are some of the things we want to implement this year and the coming year:

*This is by no means an exhaustive list, and is subject to change.
1. Hiring a paid developer, to help us do the following:

  • Improving overall site performance
  • Overhaul/improve current moderation tools
  • Implement new features for users and staff alike
2. Begin looking into merch, and more perks for site contributors
3. Preparing for a certain surprise to be released sometime during the winter season 👀

Feedback Forms

Like in the previous years, we want your feedback! There will be a general feedback form, as well as a UX feedback form. It isn’t required to fill these out, but we would definitely appreciate your input!

Art Fight 2023 Feedback Form
UX Feedback Form 
* The Art Fight 2024 Theme Poll will be released at a later date.

Before we conclude our news post however, we wanted to give you all a message from Art Fight’s former owner and founder:
I wanted to take a quick moment to apologize for communication deteriorating within the team towards the end of my time as owner of Art Fight. I never intended to let it break down like that, but good intentions don’t really excuse the fact that I let the team down. I also wanted to sincerely thank the staff who stayed behind to hold down the fort while things were sorted out at the end of the 2023 fight. You kept Art Fight alive, and I’m very grateful for that. I am, however, deeply sorry I put you in that position because I know how hard it was and I wish I hadn't put you through that.

As I’m stepping back and passing the helm to Rainy, Axel, and Turtle, I’m glad to be here to support them as they carry Art Fight into the future. I am endlessly grateful to ALL of the staff and users who supported myself and Art Fight through my time here. Thank you, everyone, for going on this adventure with me these past 9 years!
With that, we also wanted to thank you all for being patient with us as big changes happen behind the scenes.  We’re confident that Art Fight will continue to grow and we’re excited to see where things will go!




- classicturtle, Rainy, Axel

Edit (10/06/23): Hello! We noticed there were some questions about Takaia's future involvement with Art Fight, so we wanted to provide some clarification: 


  • Takaia's role as a staff member will exclusively be as a developer/coder for site features.
  • She is no longer involved in financials, staff decisions, or moderator actions.
  • As mentioned in the original newspost, we as now co-owners have access to Artfight's funds and can verify that the money from Art Fight's donations were not embezzled. More information regarding Art Fight's budget/financial situation will be provided in our upcoming budget newspost.

Comments (369)

Glad to hear that everything is sorted out and we can start to move forward with preparation for next year. It's nice to see that they staff and new leaders have made some positive changes on how things are and will be done. I'm honestly happy to know that we have a hope of 2024 Art Fight and beyond. Also love the little worm guy! 
😐
I’ll be honest. I dislike how things are going and how thing are being handled already. I’ve been on standby and just barely checking in every once in a while since all of this started, and to say the least I’m extremely disappointed in how everything is being handled. I understand everything is going to take time and all, but it’s just all rubbing me in the wrong way. I’ll continue to check the site every once in a while. However I will not be rejoining the discord or likely participating until things start looking better. 
I may not have donated much in my time here on artfight, but I gave what I could when I could. Which is a lot coming from a full time college student. The past is in the past, the money is gone. But the money shouldn’t have been taken in the first place. At least, that’s my mentality and how I was raised to think. Needless to say, my trust in the entire site, no matter the owner/s, is broken and it’s going to take a lot more than an ownership transfer to fix that. 
Rinnpaws said:
A tornado flew around my room before u came C:
kil I don't know, but maybe from the thing about sponsors?

We have always been an entity that requires money to operate, but we will expand into focusing on things such as merch, sponsorships, and more site perks, to relieve the pressure for individual users to contribute financially.
kil said:
genuine question, where r yall getting advertisements on site from? i just wanna see if its been posted anywhere or if i am missing something
i love the little wormy 
if the money "wasn't embezzled" then why Takaia and the Admins practically admitted that Takaia pocketed money?

"As admins, we did NOT have an issue with Takaia paying themself as the owner of Art Fight" - This post
"So I could have potentially have taken about $24k last year" - Takaia from Discord

are you trying to avoid serious legal trouble to keep the site up? wow what a great start way to go new owners!


I get that financial issues can be a pain for an individual but she could have just asked for help financially and people would happily contribute. The fact that we were LIED to with how money was going to be used (towards the site) is scummy. And now this.
BigBee said:
this is nothing
doggirl said:
Naw why would you say it’s not embezzlement when the previous owner admits to stealing the contributions people sent to this site…? Seriously yall just keep digger a BIGGER hole than ever😔
kanek said:
When the Google form requires a Google login: 😨😨😨😨😨😨😨 (It's not that serious)

Anyway, the only people that know everything going on with the website are the owners. Don't assume we're told every little thing.

Also: the comments have been stuck at reading 122 for ages now, so unless you have proof of deleted comments there's no reason to say it's happening.
I just logged in randomly today and i have absolutely no idea what this drama is or what has been happening so hi hope you are all having a great day remember to get some water and eat aswell, love all of you guys! 
Remember to take a break aswell and go enjoy the things that bring you happiness
Chiisi said:
Been reading the comments and it pains me to see such a loving community go through something like this...

I know that what has happened is super serious, and the lack of transparency has been frustrating and difficult...

But I love art fight... I look forward to it every year! It's top conversation for me and my artist friends. It's the big event I use vacation days off of work for. It's the thing we have a count down for. It's how I spend my birthday. I love just sharing art with strangers just to get a happy comment in reply! I love meeting new artists or seeing how styles have grown since the previous year! This site means so much to me... I've never seen so much negativity here before... But I know it's with justified reasoning...

I've always wanted merch and that makes me so excited! Tho ads make me a little... Saddened :/ 

I just... 

I wish you all the best! I want for everyone to be happy again and I know that's not easy especially with the trust that's been broken... But I love the happiness that this site has brought to so many and I selfishly want that back so badly... 

I wish you all the best of luck! Please help fix what has been lost! You know how much this place means to everyone! Just look how passionate and emotional this comment section is! So with that, I send my love and prayers to everyone here <33 

Good luck y'all... 
I don't understand how the funds weren't embezzled or at the least not considered mishandling of funds. Embezzlement is the misappropriation of assets, the assets in this case being donation money. On your donation page, NOWHERE does it say that some funds will be given to Takaia directly. It specifically says (and I quote) "Your donation will directly support running Art Fight! Funds earned from donations go towards server and image hosting, site assets, and other expenses directly related to Art Fight and its development." It says nothing about the donations being given to workers as a form of payment (which it should if you're trying to be transparent to people who are giving you money). Also, since you were once a sole proprietorship and not a non-profit, you are in MORE legal trouble considering that you are technically not allowed to have volunteers under the FLSA. They have to be compensated in some form. Which also factors into how much you're supposed to be paying in taxes.

I know my comment will get deleted as they are actively getting deleted. But you are VERY lucky most people here do not understand the legality of business laws and/or have the money to go forward with legal action. So please, for everyone's sake, do NOT try to push this under the rug as this is a legal rabbit hole. This budget post better have a good explanation as to where the money went, how much of it went missing, and why you don't consider this a fraud-related mishap.

If you don't believe me on the legality stuff. Here are my sources. I will also be reposting this on the Toyhouse thread.


What Is Embezzlement? Legal Definition, Types & Examples – Forbes Advisor
California Code, Labor Code - LAB § 1720.4 | FindLaw
elaws - Fair Labor Standards Act Advisor (dol.gov)
How to Determine if an Individual Is a Volunteer or an Employee (shrm.org)
So there's gonna be no accountability on anyone's part, the lead staff swapped places, and maybe this site'll start getting ads? Awesome 👍