Posted by admin on 6 October 2023 04:24:54 PM (Edited by admin 7 months ago)
Hey everyone,

As you may have heard, Art Fight is currently undergoing a change in leadership. Takaia, who has been the owner of Art Fight for the last nine years, has made the decision to step down from this role and take on a support role behind the scenes. In her place, former admins Axel and classicturtle, will be stepping up as co-owners, alongside a third co-owner who will be introduced later on in the newspost.

Due to the ownership shift, Art Fight will be undergoing a series of changes in the upcoming months. Art Fight will be filed as an LLC, and will no longer be operating as a sole proprietorship. We have always been an entity that requires money to operate, but we will expand into focusing on things such as merch, sponsorships, and more site perks, to relieve the pressure for individual users to contribute financially.

Additionally, any monetary support provided to the site has been labeled as a donation up to now, and we apologize for the confusion this previous wording has caused. Art Fight is neither a charity nor is it legally classified as a non-profit entity. From this point onwards, what we previously called “donations” will instead be referred to as “contributions” to clear up and avoid any further confusion. The current donation page will be updated to reflect this in the coming weeks. 

We understand this change is a considerable one, and we’d like to address a few different aspects of the changes being made below.

Why did the administrators resign from staff during the fight?

On July 22nd, former admins Turtle and Axel resigned from the Art Fight team. Their reasons for doing so are as follows:

The site remained stagnant for years, and we were frustrated with the lack of paid, forward development. Although some smaller changes were made, we did not feel these changes were enough.

Financial transparency had broken down over the years.  The lack of communication to the staff team regarding financials attributed to this - even if it wasn’t done intentionally or maliciously.

As a result of this, we wanted to help the owner make the finances more transparent, oversee further expenses, and make sure that more of the money went into developing the site, rather than allowing the site to continue to stagnate. We weren’t given this opportunity, and this combined with the previous issues in communication led to feelings of frustration. Because of this, we no longer felt that we could continue working as volunteers with Art Fight unless there were considerable changes made, and we made the difficult decision to leave the team.

As admins, we did NOT have an issue with Takaia paying themself as the owner of Art Fight, and we sincerely believe people should be fairly compensated for the work that they do. While we understand there wasn’t ill intent behind anyone’s actions, the lack of transparency regarding financial issues and a lack of site development made us feel disjointed as a team and made it hard to perform our admin duties.

After multiple conversations about Art Fight and the future of the site, we have rejoined Art Fight staff upon reaching an agreement with Takaia to become two of the three new co-owners. We are excited for this opportunity to move forwards together and help Art Fight thrive!
As stated at the start, Takaia will be stepping back from her role as owner and will take on a support role for the site behind the scenes.  We will all continue to work together to support Art Fight and let it grow to its fullest potential.

We would also like to thank and apologize to the staff, especially those who continued to work during the end of the fight after the admins resigned, as we recognize the difficult position they were put into. Additionally, we would like to reiterate that harassment towards any involved individual is unwarranted and will not be tolerated. This includes the previous admins who stepped up to their positions after the current co-owners resigned as admins. They did so with the intent to help keep the site running, and they just did their best in a complicated situation. Please be understanding and respectful to all involved parties.

Any further harassment towards any involved individual for any reason will result in a ban.


Third Co-Owner✨

Our first big step in ensuring Art Fight’s stability is re-introducing Rainy back onto the team as the third Co-Owner. She has been an invaluable member of the Art Fight staff since 2015 and previously held the role of head admin, so we hope the community is as excited as we are to bring her back! Together we will be overseeing the site, its finances, and ensuring Art Fight’s growth safely as an equal entity.

Financials

Going forwards, we want to make an active effort to ensure there is transparency regarding Art Fight’s finances. With this in mind, we want to address some concerns regarding the past and present financial states of Art Fight as a whole. First and foremost, we do want to reiterate that Art Fight was a sole proprietorship. Takaia, as the owner, worked under this sole proprietorship for approximately $12/hr, which is far below living wage. As confirmed after review by the current co-owners, taxes (which we are unable to share publicly due to security and privacy concerns) were paid and accounted for on all of Art Fight’s income. While Art Fight will no longer be a sole proprietorship, we will still operate as an official business under an LLC.

All staff, at the time of applying and at the time of hiring, were aware of and agreed to the fact that their position was as a volunteer, and that they were not going to be receiving monetary compensation for their work. As of now, this will still be the case for all site and chat moderators, though we are open to exploring paid positions (both for moderators and for site developers, such as coders) sometime in the future.

Budget 2023 - 2024

While we begin planning for the site’s future years, we are taking into account the expected budget for 2023 and 2024.

We hope to release a news post specifically about this sometime in the coming months. This news post will include more information about Art Fight’s past and future financials, and details on our goals for the rest of 2023 and 2024. In addition to this, the financial goal bar will also return!

In the past, Art Fight has functioned entirely off of the generosity of volunteer site developers. But volunteer developers obviously cannot devote all their energy to fixing and updating the site for us. We plan to rely less on volunteer developers in the future, and allocate as much of our budget as we can to lowering server-side costs, which we can use to re-invest into additional, paid developer contracts. On that note, please give a warm welcome to stokori! Originally a volunteer developer, Stokori has rejoined the team, and will be transitioning into a paid developer role. 

Here are some of the things we want to implement this year and the coming year:

*This is by no means an exhaustive list, and is subject to change.
1. Hiring a paid developer, to help us do the following:

  • Improving overall site performance
  • Overhaul/improve current moderation tools
  • Implement new features for users and staff alike
2. Begin looking into merch, and more perks for site contributors
3. Preparing for a certain surprise to be released sometime during the winter season 👀

Feedback Forms

Like in the previous years, we want your feedback! There will be a general feedback form, as well as a UX feedback form. It isn’t required to fill these out, but we would definitely appreciate your input!

Art Fight 2023 Feedback Form
UX Feedback Form 
* The Art Fight 2024 Theme Poll will be released at a later date.

Before we conclude our news post however, we wanted to give you all a message from Art Fight’s former owner and founder:
I wanted to take a quick moment to apologize for communication deteriorating within the team towards the end of my time as owner of Art Fight. I never intended to let it break down like that, but good intentions don’t really excuse the fact that I let the team down. I also wanted to sincerely thank the staff who stayed behind to hold down the fort while things were sorted out at the end of the 2023 fight. You kept Art Fight alive, and I’m very grateful for that. I am, however, deeply sorry I put you in that position because I know how hard it was and I wish I hadn't put you through that.

As I’m stepping back and passing the helm to Rainy, Axel, and Turtle, I’m glad to be here to support them as they carry Art Fight into the future. I am endlessly grateful to ALL of the staff and users who supported myself and Art Fight through my time here. Thank you, everyone, for going on this adventure with me these past 9 years!
With that, we also wanted to thank you all for being patient with us as big changes happen behind the scenes.  We’re confident that Art Fight will continue to grow and we’re excited to see where things will go!




- classicturtle, Rainy, Axel

Edit (10/06/23): Hello! We noticed there were some questions about Takaia's future involvement with Art Fight, so we wanted to provide some clarification: 


  • Takaia's role as a staff member will exclusively be as a developer/coder for site features.
  • She is no longer involved in financials, staff decisions, or moderator actions.
  • As mentioned in the original newspost, we as now co-owners have access to Artfight's funds and can verify that the money from Art Fight's donations were not embezzled. More information regarding Art Fight's budget/financial situation will be provided in our upcoming budget newspost.

Comments (369)

SaMuMiX said:
Despite the comments below, I have the hope that everything goes fine afterwards, and that next year goes fine, thanks for everything!
takaia really shouldnt have any more part in this. with such vague wording and no transparency regarding what happened to all the donation money they took/how they used it any good transparency/developments from this newspost is overshadowed by all the flowery nothing statements that dance around the main issue. (also minimum wage in my area is less than eight dollars but thats not the point. :///) dissappointing statement. im sure im not the only one unwilling to even consider giving money to artfight, especially after this post.
saszor said:
so what does  "take on a support role behind the scenes" mean exactly ? coding? finances?? if takaia only received $12/h then where did rest of the donation money go ??? this is strangely vague for a transparency update. i was really expecting a solid explanation on what happened and what will happen in the future with how long we waited for any updates but i guess this is all ..? i was excited for artfight becoming more transparent and hopefully working better as a website next year but this is just disappointing honestly
DKTR said:
YIPPE
$12/hour...... that's 10 dolars more than minimun wage per hour here (2$/hr)..... woah..... ok.... 
I'm sorry, but claiming that the wording regarding donations was "misleading" doesn't soften the fact that what happened is fraud, especially with no communication as to where the remaining funds went.

The fact that the person responsible for this is facing zero consequences isn't a good look.
I really appreciate this post, but I think more transparencey is needed. What is Takaia going to be doing in regads to the site? What about all to users who donated thinking th emoney was going to the site, not her? I know alot of people agree that people should be paid for their work, but the donations page says the donations go to the site, not paying the staff. I think alot of peoples problem is this, if it said it would help pay for staff I know more peopple would have donated! Im very worried that Takaia is still being kept on the team.
1. What does Takaia working 'behind the scenes' mean? How much is she involved? Where? Moderation, site upkeep, development, finances? How is it different from what she's been doing so far, other than having the title of 'owner'?

2. Will there be another transparency post indicating exactly how much cash went to her? Since when has this been happening, and why was it not announced here when she began to do it?

3. How many people donated to Artfight believing they were keeping the site up, not aiding Takaia financially? How much of the money went to what it was actually said to go to when users were offered to donate (aka, keeping the site up and running, server allocations, image hosting?)
in all due respect this is a weirdly vague post that doesnt really address anything? ‘takaia will be taking on a support roledoing behind the scenes work’ so is she….coding? what is she doing? 

what happened to the remaining funds? what was being done with the donations barring taxes? is this ever going to be addressed 
Robbie said:
"As admins, we did NOT have an issue with Takaia paying themself as the owner of Art Fight, and we sincerely believe people should be fairly compensated for the work that they do."
You seemed to have misunderstood the issue people were taking with Takaia, to the point of even seeming to defend her and not acknowledging the issues with her "paying herself as the owner of Art Fight." Some of the issues were that she was pocketing the money solely for herself, regardless of how "little" her income was—mind you, I believe she's a singular person and my 5-family household generates a significantly lesser income than she generated for herself solely, so I do not pity her for her "small income," which comes across as more middle-class than myself—and despite this, she barely did any of the labor of the website herself, relying on "volunteer staff," and not informing her donators that a portion of their money was going to herself. I won't even mention how she also befriends pedophiles which makes her even less worth defending and might even shine a light on her morality... It would be one thing if she were transparent and performing operations on the website itself rather than simply functioning as the "overseer," but she did not do any of the work on this site, from what I can gather, which makes her even less deserving of the money, especially considering that the people who did, in fact, do the labor did not get paid for it at all, regardless of whether or not it was "agreed upon" during their application and recruitment.

I do not believe I will be participating next year due to the phrasing of this announcement, the evasion of acknowledging the other ethical issues with her pocketing the money, plus her continuing to be a part of the staff, among the manner in which Art Fight has operated and dealt with dilemmas in the past and may continue to in the future. I wish everyone a good day and a Happy Art Fight next year!

Incidentally, do not ping or message me about this unless it is simply requesting evidence. I do not wish to argue, only comment my thoughts for consideration. I'm not in a decent psychological state at the moment to argue with others.
Zichqec said:
If the moderators have investigated these issues and decided Takaia is ok to keep on, then I trust their decision. They have the power to remove Takaia now, and they are not.

They have access to more information than we do, and these situations tend to be complicated. I am confident that the new owners have given careful consideration to everything.

It's important to remember that rumours and hearsay distort stories. So I will give the benefit of the doubt to the people that have the real information, here, and hope things will go more smoothly from here on out.

Good luck, moderators! All the best to you, I hope you can make the changes needed and make Art Fight better than ever. I look forward to participating next year.
Thank you for your hard work!! I’m looking forward to Artfight next year 
gorkhon said:
this art fight shit get serious!
i’m out!
Cozii said:
this is really promising! Thank you for the thorough explanation of everything. I'm sure you guys will do great and I'm excited to see what changes you bring <3
Thank you all for your hard work on Art Fight!!! I'm glad there was a peaceful resolution, and that there's room for growth now!!!

As much fun as Art Fight is, I don't think I could do a December second fight. January feels more likely, but maybe I'm also just too old for the idea of a second month-long fight slkfjsldf
A Secret Santa might be fun though!!!