Posted by Takaia on 6 October 2022 12:15:52 AM (Edited by Takaia 5 months ago)
Hello Art Fighters,

As a team, we’ve recently been working on alterations to our Discord server’s rules, the clarification of Art Fight’s financials, and updates/clarifications regarding the site. This post will summarize these clarifications alongside some changes still to come.

NSFW Content On and Off Site

As you may have noticed through the #changelogs channel in our Discord server, we have updated the wording of some of our rules, specifically regarding what kinds of art can be shared. The first of these changes involve Art Rule 5, which has been altered to remove “NSFW content” from the list of topics that are allowed under a spoiler. This wording implied that we allowed explicit 18+ material within the server. This was never intended, despite the rule being badly worded.  Sexually themed art is allowed under a filter on site only, and must adhere to our maturity guidelines, which can be found here.  The allowance of sexual themed art in the server was a miscommunication on our end, and is not allowed within the server, even with a spoiler. We apologize for our rules being worded in a way that made it seem like it was allowed, however, and apologize once again for any confusion the incorrect wording may have caused. Additionally, we have reiterated our ban on NSFW content in our new Art Rule 6.

Keep in mind that this ban on NSFW content and sexual themes extends to questions related to said themes in the #af-help and #af-help-2 channels. Any inquiries about these topics should be discussed in DMs with moderators, with any NSFW text/images sent in DMs being spoilered and given a warning for. If you see any posts that break our rules on NSFW content and sexual themes, don’t hesitate to send an online moderator a DM so that it may be removed.

Site Updates

In a similar vein, we are diligently working on fixing a bug with filters not working as intended on the site. To avoid bug exploitation, we will update everyone with details after we have ensured the fix is complete. Thank you for your patience in the meantime!

We are also working on updates for “Design a Character” attack rules and clarity regarding who to contact for issues on-site. For design attacks, we will be updating our rules to specify what is necessary for design attacks targeted towards more than one user and the rules regarding ownership of said character designs. This will be updated before the next fight and will be announced when it has been implemented.

Additionally, we have updated our Contact a Mod page to add a section about reporting users. If you are having issues with another user on Art Fight, you should speak to admins or a site lead for help, as regular site mods cannot deal with user-related reports, because of the potential of dealing with private information. We encourage users to contact moderators or admins directly when dealing with reports that could be considered emergencies (example: exploitation of minors).

Regarding the report backlog itself, we will be re-evaluating our process for dealing with reports in the coming months to hopefully relieve some of the delays in report resolution. We apologize again for any lengthy wait times, and encourage you to reach out via site messages if you require immediate help.

Lastly, we want to make a quick update about Cloudflare and some recent concerns about a website they previously supported. Luckily, Cloudflare did the right thing and has since dropped supporting the website in question, so it appears these concerns have now been resolved, but we still wanted to mention that we only use Cloudflare for DDOS / high traffic protection, and nothing else. Art Fight is not hosted on Cloudflare, nor are its images/etc.

Donation & Financial Clarifications

Recently, we’ve noticed there have been some concerns regarding donations and the way Art Fight is categorized. First, we want to clarify that we are not a non-profit organization. We are considered a sole proprietorship - in the past, Art Fight has mistakenly been referred to as a non-profit, but that is not the case, and we apologize for the confusion. We have looked into becoming a non-profit, but it’s not something that’s feasible for us right now.

Art Fight is a passion project that sustains itself via donations from its user base. The majority of these funds go towards maintaining the site. The largest site expenses include: image hosting, web servers, other web services, and commissioned art assets. This is not cheap, especially for a site of our size that approximately doubles its user base every year. After the bills are paid, the leftover money is significantly lower than a fair wage. Therefore we are unable to hire anyone, though Takaia receives a small amount of compensation for work she does as the site owner and coder.

All moderators, designers, and administrators are completely volunteer. This is something they agree to when they sign up to be a moderator, and is a standard practice for small websites. We would love to pay more of our staff, as well as hire an accountant (for proper financial breakdowns, etc.). The reality is that none of that is financially feasible for us at this time, because Art Fight does not earn enough to pay for these services.


In the past, we worked very hard to try to be transparent with Art Fight finances. However, because Art Fight does not earn enough to be able to hire an accountant or any other professionals, all estimates were being done by Takaia. Due to the fluctuating nature of Art Fight's costs and donations, many of the reports ultimately ended up being unintentionally inaccurate. Takaia tried as best as she could with the resources she had to make as close to an exact estimate as she could.

Because of the inaccuracy, Art Fight's estimations received backlash, some of which was personally directed at Takaia. After considering the sheer amount of time and effort needed to make these, the resulting backlash, the private nature of the amount people get paid, and looking at similarly run websites who don’t publish this information, we decided it was best to simply stop making estimates/breakdowns. However, to give an idea of how much things can cost, here are some examples of recent bills we’ve paid. Please note that this is a fraction of the total we pay per year, these are individual examples:

Image-hosting alone for the month of July 2022 cost around $7,200 USD. The web server for hosting the site itself costs around $500 USD a month. For 2022, Art Fight needs approximately ($500 x 12 months) $6,000 USD to pay for the web server. Again, these numbers do not take into account future site growth, art/image assets, the rest of the image hosting costs, and other miscellaneous costs, both planned and unplanned, during the year.

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We would like to extend our gratitude to our users for your understanding and continued patience, alongside your willingness to help in our shared goal of improving the site. As always, we encourage you to come to us with any questions you may have and to share any concerns you feel need addressing. You are welcome to either comment below, DM a moderator, post in our Discord server’s help channels, or send us an email at [email protected]. We appreciate any questions or concerns being brought to us, and thank you in advance for your patience, as potential replies may be slow due to moderators being busy with life commitments outside of Art Fight.

We greatly appreciate your continued support as we all move forward together.

Sincerely,

The Art Fight Team

Comments (383)

Well if anything at least the news post made the weirdos that support minors being able to view NSFW reveal themselves lol 
Stay safe
Clubbingclown if a minor turns off the filter of their own free will (which is on by default) anything that happens afterwards is on them. the filters themselves are the protection.
Why not just ban NSFW outright? There are too many minors who actively use this site why not do the most baseline thing to keep them safe? 
jesus, this is what i get for not using the discord lmao. i have no clue what anybody is on about here.
Sorry for the at but crowwithashortcake, I completely agree with you, I personally made my own comment about the post about the staff being immature, my experience in the discord showed that people in it had grabbed anything to throw art fight into the dirt. The staff are some of the most interactive staff that Ive seen and I honestly prefer communities that are open about that. Art fight can use better communication but theyre just a handful of people putting on a really wholesome event for thousands of people. Theres the so called offbrand art fights out there run by people who were banned for problematic issues that people dont know the situation of but art fight tries its best to make sure that everyone is able to do what they want within reasonable rules. A lot of the callout couldve been just pointed out what they felt like was wrong on actual problematic issues, that couldve been dealt with by the people involved. Theres a block function on the site for a reason, you can block people who break the rules, bc most people Ive met are some of the most cool people who follow the spirit of what art fight is supposed to be about. For those that no longer support what Art fight is about you can do what you want but leave the game to those that follow the spirit
Moruun said:
Can someone explain what's going on? Like, i have no idea what drama this post is about, i don't look at the discord all the time but i feel like this post implies i should have 
uh random question, anyone here in the doors fandom?
tbh there should be forums here. If you have the infrastructure for posting, you should create a proper forum section instead of using a discord. IMO the callout was a bit laughable, but there should definitely be much more focus on the site itself than a discord that tons of people on this site either don't care or know about
So...is NSFW allowed or not? You use the phrase "sexually themed art" for both sentences that say it's allowed with filter...but then not allowed at all. This might need a revision because I'm confused!

Best of luck!
reading through the "callout post" or whatever, there were some valid points in it raised, but it was also full of some of the pettiest "arguments" completely misconstruing the screenshots they were citing, good god. its like pre porn ban tumblr all over. if you want your bullet points to be taken seriously maybe dont include things like "moderator posting memes about the final results being late" as if thats a genuine issue and not just, like, a mild inconvenience that literally doesnt affect anybody. the outrage over the sexually suggestive content on the site itself is also ridiculous and some of the examples included were laughable. the kind of things the site allows are literally images youd see in real life walking through a city on billboards and store displays, or in unskippable ads on sites like youtube. are people seriously trying to suggest that minors being able to turn off the filter and potentially seeing something like a character striking a sexy pose while nude is any different than minors in real life constantly being bombarded with stuff like sexy models suggestively eating burgers in ads or lingerie models advertising beauty products? or what about nude paintings/sculptures people study in art class, are those also suddenly inappropriate for minors? this whole "discourse" is uncomfortably puritanical and its made even stupider when remembering that minors can and do lie about their age on sites all the time and there is nothing you can do to prevent that apart from requiring real life identification (which i shouldnt have to say is incredibly dangerous) therefore removing the option to turn off the filter would accomplish literally nothing. this whole thing absolutely reeks of performative activism and i have a hard time taking the rest of the "callout post" seriously when its filled with so much meaningless crap like this.
sivanhe Wait, what happened with UnknownSpy?
Wish there was a winter art fight as well as the june artfight but none the less alot of people do appreciate the news you posted
sivanhe said:
I'm sure a lot of us would appreciate if y'all actually addressed the UnknownSpy issue. I haven't been involved in the issue in any way and only heard of it through a Toyhouse thread, but that doesn't mean I (or any other people who aren't involved) shouldn't be concerned about it. You guys NEED to actually talk about and address the issue and clear things up. Or is your favouritism towards Spy just too strong to actually deal with the situation properly?

EDIT: Damn, seems like you guys have a lot more things to address than I realized. That's unfortunate; I really love participating in the annual event on this site, and I don't want to have to stop participating because the staff aren't willing to take accountability for things. I don't speak for everyone, but I'm sure a lot of us feel the same way.
PurrOpal said:
I honestly feel the discord should go dormant for a while until ALL the main issues on site have been cleared. Having mods handle a discord and the site is a lot of added work and I feel the discord gets more focus than is needed. I understand the community loves to be able to be in one spot but at this point I feel the site should take more priority. Maybe implement a forums section instead of running a discord 
Oh I completely forgot to say earlier 

I've had nothing but wonderful interactions with staff and moderators that I've talked to, and that should be a universal experience, full stop

Please consider vetting and training volunteers a bit more strictly so that everyone knows exactly what rules they are enforcing, how to de-escalate people, let more people handle report tickets and... moderate, essentially. I've worked for a couple of websites where I had a moderator role in part or in full, and it really pains me whenever I hear users anywhere losing faith in how a site is moderated due to the sheer amount of inconsistency amongst staff. It's the fastest way for a whole community to rip itself apart from what I've seen

I'd totally be up to volunteer and help out, but from what I'm hearing, vounteer mods really don't get a lot of added ability to do so, and there's a huge backlog of reports?