Posted by admin on 6 October 2023 04:24:54 PM (Edited by admin 7 months ago)
Hey everyone,

As you may have heard, Art Fight is currently undergoing a change in leadership. Takaia, who has been the owner of Art Fight for the last nine years, has made the decision to step down from this role and take on a support role behind the scenes. In her place, former admins Axel and classicturtle, will be stepping up as co-owners, alongside a third co-owner who will be introduced later on in the newspost.

Due to the ownership shift, Art Fight will be undergoing a series of changes in the upcoming months. Art Fight will be filed as an LLC, and will no longer be operating as a sole proprietorship. We have always been an entity that requires money to operate, but we will expand into focusing on things such as merch, sponsorships, and more site perks, to relieve the pressure for individual users to contribute financially.

Additionally, any monetary support provided to the site has been labeled as a donation up to now, and we apologize for the confusion this previous wording has caused. Art Fight is neither a charity nor is it legally classified as a non-profit entity. From this point onwards, what we previously called “donations” will instead be referred to as “contributions” to clear up and avoid any further confusion. The current donation page will be updated to reflect this in the coming weeks. 

We understand this change is a considerable one, and we’d like to address a few different aspects of the changes being made below.

Why did the administrators resign from staff during the fight?

On July 22nd, former admins Turtle and Axel resigned from the Art Fight team. Their reasons for doing so are as follows:

The site remained stagnant for years, and we were frustrated with the lack of paid, forward development. Although some smaller changes were made, we did not feel these changes were enough.

Financial transparency had broken down over the years.  The lack of communication to the staff team regarding financials attributed to this - even if it wasn’t done intentionally or maliciously.

As a result of this, we wanted to help the owner make the finances more transparent, oversee further expenses, and make sure that more of the money went into developing the site, rather than allowing the site to continue to stagnate. We weren’t given this opportunity, and this combined with the previous issues in communication led to feelings of frustration. Because of this, we no longer felt that we could continue working as volunteers with Art Fight unless there were considerable changes made, and we made the difficult decision to leave the team.

As admins, we did NOT have an issue with Takaia paying themself as the owner of Art Fight, and we sincerely believe people should be fairly compensated for the work that they do. While we understand there wasn’t ill intent behind anyone’s actions, the lack of transparency regarding financial issues and a lack of site development made us feel disjointed as a team and made it hard to perform our admin duties.

After multiple conversations about Art Fight and the future of the site, we have rejoined Art Fight staff upon reaching an agreement with Takaia to become two of the three new co-owners. We are excited for this opportunity to move forwards together and help Art Fight thrive!
As stated at the start, Takaia will be stepping back from her role as owner and will take on a support role for the site behind the scenes.  We will all continue to work together to support Art Fight and let it grow to its fullest potential.

We would also like to thank and apologize to the staff, especially those who continued to work during the end of the fight after the admins resigned, as we recognize the difficult position they were put into. Additionally, we would like to reiterate that harassment towards any involved individual is unwarranted and will not be tolerated. This includes the previous admins who stepped up to their positions after the current co-owners resigned as admins. They did so with the intent to help keep the site running, and they just did their best in a complicated situation. Please be understanding and respectful to all involved parties.

Any further harassment towards any involved individual for any reason will result in a ban.


Third Co-Owner✨

Our first big step in ensuring Art Fight’s stability is re-introducing Rainy back onto the team as the third Co-Owner. She has been an invaluable member of the Art Fight staff since 2015 and previously held the role of head admin, so we hope the community is as excited as we are to bring her back! Together we will be overseeing the site, its finances, and ensuring Art Fight’s growth safely as an equal entity.

Financials

Going forwards, we want to make an active effort to ensure there is transparency regarding Art Fight’s finances. With this in mind, we want to address some concerns regarding the past and present financial states of Art Fight as a whole. First and foremost, we do want to reiterate that Art Fight was a sole proprietorship. Takaia, as the owner, worked under this sole proprietorship for approximately $12/hr, which is far below living wage. As confirmed after review by the current co-owners, taxes (which we are unable to share publicly due to security and privacy concerns) were paid and accounted for on all of Art Fight’s income. While Art Fight will no longer be a sole proprietorship, we will still operate as an official business under an LLC.

All staff, at the time of applying and at the time of hiring, were aware of and agreed to the fact that their position was as a volunteer, and that they were not going to be receiving monetary compensation for their work. As of now, this will still be the case for all site and chat moderators, though we are open to exploring paid positions (both for moderators and for site developers, such as coders) sometime in the future.

Budget 2023 - 2024

While we begin planning for the site’s future years, we are taking into account the expected budget for 2023 and 2024.

We hope to release a news post specifically about this sometime in the coming months. This news post will include more information about Art Fight’s past and future financials, and details on our goals for the rest of 2023 and 2024. In addition to this, the financial goal bar will also return!

In the past, Art Fight has functioned entirely off of the generosity of volunteer site developers. But volunteer developers obviously cannot devote all their energy to fixing and updating the site for us. We plan to rely less on volunteer developers in the future, and allocate as much of our budget as we can to lowering server-side costs, which we can use to re-invest into additional, paid developer contracts. On that note, please give a warm welcome to stokori! Originally a volunteer developer, Stokori has rejoined the team, and will be transitioning into a paid developer role. 

Here are some of the things we want to implement this year and the coming year:

*This is by no means an exhaustive list, and is subject to change.
1. Hiring a paid developer, to help us do the following:

  • Improving overall site performance
  • Overhaul/improve current moderation tools
  • Implement new features for users and staff alike
2. Begin looking into merch, and more perks for site contributors
3. Preparing for a certain surprise to be released sometime during the winter season 👀

Feedback Forms

Like in the previous years, we want your feedback! There will be a general feedback form, as well as a UX feedback form. It isn’t required to fill these out, but we would definitely appreciate your input!

Art Fight 2023 Feedback Form
UX Feedback Form 
* The Art Fight 2024 Theme Poll will be released at a later date.

Before we conclude our news post however, we wanted to give you all a message from Art Fight’s former owner and founder:
I wanted to take a quick moment to apologize for communication deteriorating within the team towards the end of my time as owner of Art Fight. I never intended to let it break down like that, but good intentions don’t really excuse the fact that I let the team down. I also wanted to sincerely thank the staff who stayed behind to hold down the fort while things were sorted out at the end of the 2023 fight. You kept Art Fight alive, and I’m very grateful for that. I am, however, deeply sorry I put you in that position because I know how hard it was and I wish I hadn't put you through that.

As I’m stepping back and passing the helm to Rainy, Axel, and Turtle, I’m glad to be here to support them as they carry Art Fight into the future. I am endlessly grateful to ALL of the staff and users who supported myself and Art Fight through my time here. Thank you, everyone, for going on this adventure with me these past 9 years!
With that, we also wanted to thank you all for being patient with us as big changes happen behind the scenes.  We’re confident that Art Fight will continue to grow and we’re excited to see where things will go!




- classicturtle, Rainy, Axel

Edit (10/06/23): Hello! We noticed there were some questions about Takaia's future involvement with Art Fight, so we wanted to provide some clarification: 


  • Takaia's role as a staff member will exclusively be as a developer/coder for site features.
  • She is no longer involved in financials, staff decisions, or moderator actions.
  • As mentioned in the original newspost, we as now co-owners have access to Artfight's funds and can verify that the money from Art Fight's donations were not embezzled. More information regarding Art Fight's budget/financial situation will be provided in our upcoming budget newspost.

Comments (369)

goats-teeth there's nothing wrong with "Proshipping", people should draw characters doing whatever they want as long as the characters are all adults. Acting weird around minors is bad though i agree.
Not sure how I feel about this considering one of Tak’s buddies who’s defended them is a proshipper who draws necrophilia and behaved inappropriately around minors. Like it’s not just the financial stuff, Tak has issues and needs to be GONE
I am deeply disappointed in the decision to keep Takaia on the team, and urge the owners of artfight to reconsider this.
I honestly think this is a step forward in the right direction, though I do wish there was more transparency in regard to the role that Takaia would be taking due to the situation of everything that happened. 
I do hope that AF will continue to thrive under new leadership and will grow to new heights. And I also hope that this site does not become overloaded with ADs because that is one of the few things I highly appreciated for AF.
Looking forward to the future of ArtFight! Personally my opinion on Takaia is neutral leaning positive -- people deserve to be compensated for their work + it sounds like they were going through a tough situation, but like I ain't an expert on money or disability so that's about where my thoughts end lol. 

Went through and did the polls, I'm really excited for what might come! Personally I've been wanting a folders feature for a while, and if the "winter surprise" is what I think it is I can't wait for December/January 
iKA9 said:
this entire situation has been a complete and utter trainwreck. on both sides.
Bascor said:
When people don’t understand artfight can run perfectly on its own without Takaia in the recent years ☠️
Furthermore, the amount of logical fallacies here is genuinely mind boggling. Takaia living below the poverty line not a justifiable reason for her to use artfight funds for herself. It is like knowing my donations for a campaign advocating for women rights went to supporting transgender teens. While a side that desperately need for help is alleviated, it is not of my original intent. Generally its just not a good practice and i wouldnt be suprised to see people losing trust
 They told NO ONE about what they were doing with the money it doesn't matter if it was to fund their disability. There wasn't any transparency or communication at all. Nobody is being ableist and people telling tekaia to do better are NOT ABLEIST. I am literally disabled and that does not excuse them taking away money with letting people know regardless. Stop kissing their ass dawg.
Hope the change in leadership brings new heights and fun things in the future! There's always gonna be backlash, people are upset still, for various reasons, and those concerns are valid and should be listened too. But I hope as time moves forwards, things will go smoothly and improve. This is a step forward, Good luck you you all!!
please just say what exactly Takaia is doing. this is not looking good
My dudes just say where the money went it's not that complicated!!!
if what dykitten said is true, why the hell weren't you guys upfront about it??? hello??
also for fucks sakes say what their role is concretly, my god. Online projects not being transparent about things is one of the first signs that shit's gonna go down my dudes!
Octtinkk said:
They’re gonna have ads now and make the site unrecognisable :’< (ALSO. Where’s the transparency??? Why is Takaia still on the team???)
dykitten said:
Takaia stated that $30,000 is what artfight was making annually, and that half of that was put into keeping the site afloat. The other half was used to cover the costs of living when they had recently became disabled. To put that into perspective, the federal poverty level in the US is $14,580. If that seems like a lot of money to you, you’re likely a teenager (or adult idk) who is lucky enough to live under your parent’s roof. Even if you pay rent, you’re likely not paying the full cost of utilities. The average cost of rent for an apartment in the U.S is 20,424 per year. Factor in utility and that’s an additional 3,600 per year. That is not living lavishly by any means. I didn’t even account for food / transportation / insurance.

Takaia likely had no other options and disability is nothing to sneeze at. working through pain / inability to work is detrimental to one’s health. Seeking accommodations at work is risky. Yes it’s against the law to fire people for disabilities, but with at-will employment in the united states, they can fire you for falling behind in performance expectations. If Takaia went on disability benefits, they wouldn’t even be able to accept any donations period. Look up how much money in assets you can own as a disabled person before you lose your benefits.

If Takaia got evicted, or was starving, or had electricity shut off, then art fight would not be able to run. Period. They did not splurge the money on luxury pointless stuff. They needed to do whatever they could to survive. Therefore, Takaia using the money on their survival is what was keeping artfight up and running. That is not fraud. That is not embezzlement. You all donated to keep the site up, and that’s what it was spent on. Yes, Takaia should have communicated that aspect a little more, but acting like they’re on the level of someone pocketing money that was meant to publish zines and blowing it all on videogames or whatever is ridiculous. Excommunicating someone over an issue of communication is cruel and unnecessary. They’re not an evil person. Use your brain for 10 seconds
beta__ said:
oh yeah for those of you who uses artfight as a character storage site, there's a dedicated thread on toyhouse for giving and asking for codes

here if you want it: https://toyhou.se/~forums/11.general-off-topic/19214.invite-code-request-thread-guide-updated-3-25-?page=1586
Angel said:
WHERES THE MONEY LEBOWSKI
WHERES THE FUCKING MONEY SHITHEAAAAD