I'm glad I'm not the only person who's concerned about the maturity rules; these things were already filtered out for kids, removing anything remotely suggestive when sex/arousal was never allowed on here in the first place feels really weird. (and before someone calls me a predator, like a couple people have to others in the comments, no i am not advocating for porn on a site where kids hang out, that's fucking absurd)

Things you can wear at pride shouldn't be banned. People are not out there plowing in the streets willy nilly unless there's a blizzard.

And many other people have already said it but anything and everything is already someones fetish, no matter how benign you think something is, it continues to amaze me lmao. Why can I draw a naked, flaccid body but if I draw some strips of leather on it, suddenly that's not okay, meanwhile my other drawing of a guy getting flayed and gutted alive gets a pass? This is something that's bothered me for years with this game tbh. People that lie about their intent are far fewer than people that are just regular adults wanting to draw something that makes them happy, behind a filter where like minded people can go check it out, and other people can safely avoid. I think if this stays the way it is, it'll only going to make better liars, which means more kids being exposed to fetish stuff :T

This isn't even touching how drawing certain real world body types get artists accused of being perverts

I'm gonna wait a bit before I run in and change some wording on my character permissions; I've never posted or recieved anything even close to pornography here, but now I'm feeling kinda paranoid

> overly-exaggerated proportions, and extreme emphasis on certain parts of the body.

They really put over in my OC “(O)li(v)i(er)” 😂 🤦🏻‍♂️ with his comically wide shoulders

The actual issue here isnt "artfight HATES ME THEY HATE ME SO MUCH" melodrama, it's that rules like "focus on part of the body" or "exaggerated proportions" are even MORE impossible to moderate than the already extremely subjective stuff like suggestive content. There is no problem with wanting an art site to be SFW, but how are you supposed to tell the difference between, say, a foot fetish piece with focus on that part of the body and a drawing at an extreme angle that happens to show the feet close to the camera? They look the same in most cases, and you wouldn't even know it. Whats the difference between an exaggerated, impossibly proportioned character and a character if a unique species that naturally looks like that, without any fetish intent? There is a difference between a character actively *engaging in* a fetish or kink (which I understand banning as it would fall under sexual content), but some stuff is so vague its really hard to tell. There should've been some sort of addition explaining how this is going to be moderated, since with something so subjective its not really clear what counts and what doesn't if you don't actually say it

Honestly, I'll be satisfied with any theme other than Seafoam vs Stardust :0 those two things aren't a dichotomy or related, like other themes. They aren't opposites or two sides of the same coin...it just seems like a weirdly random theme. 

Different strokes for different folks though! Personally, I've got my fingers crossed for Arctic vs Tropic! 

A lot of people have articulated about the rules so I won't, but do want to say I'm so excited about the theme reveal!

The thing about trying to restrict "exaggerated proportions" is that this is an art site. Unrealistically exaggerated proportions are a huge part of cartooning. Look at Total Drama Island, or really any kids' cartoon from the 2000's. It's such a slap in the face of artistic expression to try to restrict this. And even if we concede that maybe there's art out there that has an "obvious" enough focus on a body part to clearly be fetish art. . . why does it matter? So long as it's behind a filter, who does it hurt? Was it really worth causing this much confusion and lack of trust in the site to crack down on art that, from my view, hurts no one?

If you're going to change anything, just improve the filtering system. Let us specify what we're warning for besides general "suggestive content" in the same way that Toyhouse does. [this goes for the "sensitive content" filter too, which is so vague as to not be of much use at all].

I'm already set on participating this year, but if this ruling isn't rolled back, I can't see myself participating in 2025 and beyond. All this has done is give me the impression that Artfight cares about optics and getting rid of uncomfortable art more than it does actually improving the site. I'm worried that Artfight has reached the point where they feel that they have enough users and donations that they can finally get rid of "those gross fetish artists," the same way that every other site seems to be doing nowadays. I don't want to believe that it was that reactionary of a decision, but I can't find any other explanation for such a nonsensical rule change.

LuminolVeins Ah, gotcha, sorry if I misunderstood. Yeah, this is a very icky situation, I'm trying to be an optimist and like you said give them the benefit of the doubt. I'm not excusing them though, the vagueness of this is ridiculous.

Liliez That's... Actually kind of also what I mean? My cup size is something that has caused people to go googling the upper ranges of bra sizes because they don't believe that J-cups exist. <:) And the fact that if I drew myself, I'd probably be mistaken for fat fetish material as well. But! I do understand giving them the benefit of the doubt and waiting to see what they say. I do hope they have some clarifications, because as it stands this doesn't feel like the best look.

LuminolVeins I get what you're saying, but honestly, I think by "overly-exagerated proportions" they mean extreme exaggeration that could cause harmful and unhealthy body expectations. So not just, for example, a realistically big chest, but a huge one, and a very tiny waist, or things like that. Stuff that isn't possible. But I can't speak for Artfight (and I do genuinely understand why you're upset, don't get me wrong), so we'll just have to see what exactly they mean. Hopefully they'll offer some clarification.

man just say you hate fat queers and get it over with

"Works involving fetishes, even if they do not contain genitals, are disallowed on site. This includes (but is not limited to) fetish gear, overly-exaggerated proportions, and extreme emphasis on certain parts of the body." This... Is incredibly puritan. None of my characters would fall under this, but if I say, drew a sona that's true to my in-person self, I would likely fall under 'fetish material' due to my own 'overly-exaggerated proportions'. Who are you to decide what is and isn't a fetish from some people? Are you all absolute children? I'd get better treatment if I showed off a sketchbook full of gay sex to my church than if I drew cartoonishly here. I'm deeply disappointed and hope you rethink and elaborate on some aspects of these rules.

Also, "Pre-made brushes and assets are okay, but excessive use of pre-made brushes (such as for trees, etc.) must be rated as "No Background". " Stupid. I'm not breaking my hand in order to draw a flower field when I do the rest of the bg by hand. You guys are really being kind of losers here.

RoseyVaporeon 2023 achievements are usually given near the end of June before the fight!

I still havnt gotten some missing achievements from last year for being in team werewolf? is that a bug or have they not been given out yet?

depth what are you confused about? Do you need help with anything?